Discussion > Ideas for kits?
I,too, would like to see a full set of engine service facilities, both steam and diesel. At least early diesel.
You know what else would be nifty, if there was a way for any random joe to make a nice kit using Clever 'materials' and then have a place to sell it on Clever's website. Kind of like Apple has done with apps for the iPhone. Clever could check the kits to make sure they were of a minimal acceptable standard and then facilitate the sale. Maybe they would even keep the 30/70% split that Apple uses? (30% to Apple, 70% to app developer)
-Ben
You know what else would be nifty, if there was a way for any random joe to make a nice kit using Clever 'materials' and then have a place to sell it on Clever's website. Kind of like Apple has done with apps for the iPhone. Clever could check the kits to make sure they were of a minimal acceptable standard and then facilitate the sale. Maybe they would even keep the 30/70% split that Apple uses? (30% to Apple, 70% to app developer)
-Ben
February 16, 2011 |
Ben

Hi Ben,
At first, I thought your Idea was a good one, then I mulled it over. Clever is the only company that I have found with high quality card stock model kits. There are some smaller mom/pop sites out there. They are just not at the level that Clever is at.
Right now, I can refer anyone to the Clever site and I know they will get a high quality kit from the brothers. If you add other models you are watering down the quality of the kits. The brothers are working hard to generate a ground swell for their high quality card stock kits,
I've been following the brothers for a short time now, but what I've read here, is, there is a lot of time spent in test building their kits. Now throw in submitted kits into the mix. I feel it would slow the brothers down on issuing Clever models. Personally I would rather have them spend time on the Clever models.
Just my two cents worth.
Mitch
At first, I thought your Idea was a good one, then I mulled it over. Clever is the only company that I have found with high quality card stock model kits. There are some smaller mom/pop sites out there. They are just not at the level that Clever is at.
Right now, I can refer anyone to the Clever site and I know they will get a high quality kit from the brothers. If you add other models you are watering down the quality of the kits. The brothers are working hard to generate a ground swell for their high quality card stock kits,
I've been following the brothers for a short time now, but what I've read here, is, there is a lot of time spent in test building their kits. Now throw in submitted kits into the mix. I feel it would slow the brothers down on issuing Clever models. Personally I would rather have them spend time on the Clever models.
Just my two cents worth.
Mitch
February 17, 2011 |
Mitch

Ben wrote a very nice tutorial on constructing an interlocking tower, but I haven't found the kit available on this web site. I think it should be, and Ben's tutorial included with it. I couldn't find it so I ended up building my own by kitbashing the flag stop (pics shown way back in the blog). I think that me providing the C.M. sheets, directions, etc. on how I did it might fit in with what Ben had in mind. Personally, if the Brothers M. (by the way I would like a phonetic pronunciation of you guys' last name) wanted to take the flagstop and rearrange it into a interlocking tower kit, so much the better for them, or bring back the interlocker that Ben built.
I looked at a C.M. competitor's web page (which offers kits in OO and N scale only) and a neat idea for the Brothers M. would be tunnel entrances and stone arch bridges. Yes I could order from the competitor and rescale, but I would rather C.M. do it, and have an American flavor to the structures, not British, and C.M. grows as a result.
I looked at a C.M. competitor's web page (which offers kits in OO and N scale only) and a neat idea for the Brothers M. would be tunnel entrances and stone arch bridges. Yes I could order from the competitor and rescale, but I would rather C.M. do it, and have an American flavor to the structures, not British, and C.M. grows as a result.
February 17, 2011 |
David

I really appreciate all of the support, guys. It's through you building great models and showing them around that will help us grow. The mom and pop statement is interesting. I guess we give a good professional image and seem bigger, but we are just two brothers working out of our homes. We're no "Bar mills" with a custom designed, reproduction railroad station for an office and 4, 30K laser cutters going around the clock.
We really need you guys, to talk to people, your hobby shops and your clubs.
We do have some other modelers who started by building our kits and then began designing their own. Most notably John Kosma of the Gypsy Trolley Line. "Habbaker's" on the new disk is his design, so is "Cream city". There are several flats of small houses that he designed, that are in the extras folder on the Neighborhood disk. John graciously gave us these kits in HO and we reworked them in other scales and in some cases to increase the finish and engineering to our standards. We try to compensate him by making sure he gets a copy of everything we make. If we ever reach the Bar Mills league, I assure you cash will flow his way. I have encouraged him to sell the kits himself, but he enjoys the design process and isn't interested in the added hassle.
Who knows where this will go. Make something fantastic and we will help you sell it. Do keep in mind though that we are up against giants. Nobody's getting rich here. I'm happy when I can pay the rent.
We really need you guys, to talk to people, your hobby shops and your clubs.
We do have some other modelers who started by building our kits and then began designing their own. Most notably John Kosma of the Gypsy Trolley Line. "Habbaker's" on the new disk is his design, so is "Cream city". There are several flats of small houses that he designed, that are in the extras folder on the Neighborhood disk. John graciously gave us these kits in HO and we reworked them in other scales and in some cases to increase the finish and engineering to our standards. We try to compensate him by making sure he gets a copy of everything we make. If we ever reach the Bar Mills league, I assure you cash will flow his way. I have encouraged him to sell the kits himself, but he enjoys the design process and isn't interested in the added hassle.
Who knows where this will go. Make something fantastic and we will help you sell it. Do keep in mind though that we are up against giants. Nobody's getting rich here. I'm happy when I can pay the rent.
February 17, 2011 |
Dave

Your professionalism, raises you above the mom/pop sites, in my eyes. How's that Thom. LOL
Mitch
Mitch
February 17, 2011 |
Mitch

I appricate the quality of kits that Clever makes, I hope someday to build them to a higher standard. Until then I'll just enjoy rebuilding them one at a time until I get it right.
February 17, 2011 |
Steven

He bro. Maybe it's time to put the Switchman's Tower back up. What do you think?
February 18, 2011 |
Dave

I think that's a fine idea. as a freebie or for sale?
February 19, 2011 |
Dave

Free. If the guys want to donate, they will.
February 20, 2011 |
Dave

Ok, My brother has spoken. I'll put the signal towers up as freebies. Spread the word. (here's a thought, Can we get some Minions? Yeah that's it Card model minions.)
Thom
Thom
February 20, 2011 |
Dave

I'm excited about "digital die-cutting" Just as there are desktop laser cutters and 3d printers, There are devices specifically for cutting paper that range in price from a couple of hundred dollars to a couple of thousand. like any high end technology gradually moving to the consumer, they are evolving quickly and the prices keep dropping.
There are already consumer machines. They can be limited as they are meant for the scrap book crowd but there are some interesting developments that will impact the cardstock modelers. If your serious about your cardstock, a device to do all your cutting for a few hundred dollars might be very reasonable. I know several of the plastic and wood modelers have their own lasers and ever 3d printers. Those are currently in the several thousand dollar range. I am investigating a die cutter called the Klick & Kut (cutesy name for a serious tool) they sell for around $800 to $1000. Still a lot of money for most of us but the capabilities are promising.
Not only does this cutter work with heavy cardstock but wood and thin plastic. It automatically finds the edge of the image and cuts along it. What I'm most excited about is that it embosses as well as cuts. Think, Dimensional bricks, wood grain, nail holes, rivets, bolts, window frames, I can go on and on. This kind of tool will put cardstock modeling far above laser engraved and cut kits and cast kits as well.
The cardstock kit is about to break away from the pack.
Thom
There are already consumer machines. They can be limited as they are meant for the scrap book crowd but there are some interesting developments that will impact the cardstock modelers. If your serious about your cardstock, a device to do all your cutting for a few hundred dollars might be very reasonable. I know several of the plastic and wood modelers have their own lasers and ever 3d printers. Those are currently in the several thousand dollar range. I am investigating a die cutter called the Klick & Kut (cutesy name for a serious tool) they sell for around $800 to $1000. Still a lot of money for most of us but the capabilities are promising.
Not only does this cutter work with heavy cardstock but wood and thin plastic. It automatically finds the edge of the image and cuts along it. What I'm most excited about is that it embosses as well as cuts. Think, Dimensional bricks, wood grain, nail holes, rivets, bolts, window frames, I can go on and on. This kind of tool will put cardstock modeling far above laser engraved and cut kits and cast kits as well.
The cardstock kit is about to break away from the pack.
Thom
February 21, 2011 |
Dave

Thom,
I just went and did an internet search for "Klik and Kut" and watched a video on it. Very interesting. It would put Xacto right out of business! Such a machine would make cutting out some things much simpler (like for example the roof trusses for the tin roof on the Plant #2 kit - which were a pain to cut out". But really making all the cuts by hand and gluing things together is exactly what make the kits fun to build in the first place - in my opinion.
However, for Clever offering kits in a box (versus download) it might be a distinct advantage to get a machine.
I just went and did an internet search for "Klik and Kut" and watched a video on it. Very interesting. It would put Xacto right out of business! Such a machine would make cutting out some things much simpler (like for example the roof trusses for the tin roof on the Plant #2 kit - which were a pain to cut out". But really making all the cuts by hand and gluing things together is exactly what make the kits fun to build in the first place - in my opinion.
However, for Clever offering kits in a box (versus download) it might be a distinct advantage to get a machine.
February 21, 2011 |
David Morrow

Anyone have any comments or suggestions?